Utf8 problems in X vs console for file names and others
there some problems with utf8 files...
i not use recent Debian versions, i used directly Devuan, and respect Debian squeeze i noted that by example the file:
El universo \xc3\xbaltimos descubrimientos.mp4are displayed as
El universo ?@ltimos descubrimientos.mp4
ok that not so bad.. but the problerm not end here, if i try to added that file to smplayer, smplayer :
- if the file name are added to list or opened, does not play
- sometimes file name are not displayed in file browser event i specified "all files" in filter
this NOT HAPPENED in Debin squeeze, but i noted happened in Debian jeesie (i never used the wheeze and i now use only the Devuan)
NOTE: i set correctly the locales to es_VE.utf8 and also generated en_US.utf8 and es_ES.utf8, also install all related packages for Spanish including dictionaries
IMPORTANT: i later switch to en_US.utf8 and problems still persis, i used devuan 1.0.0 pre final stable but due seems are this problem inherits from Debian maybe in the final 1.0.0 stable still persist
Not even a reply or label from somebody?? This is a fundamental issue with Devuan as a distro, and a showstopper for me. I am sure there is an easy workaround, some packages to install, perhaps a configuration, but since this has always worked in Debian, nobody know how to fix this? Devuan is not UTF-8 capable!
hi @pepa65 seems the bugtracker was moved to another site.. Devuan has a very disaster in organization.. very good systems linux but the team are composed of a zealots..
i post another alert in Dev1 foriums about that please do the same you too: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3378#p3378
i used the live, the minimal and recently (4 days ago) the DVD flavors and all failed to put correctly the keyboard and some letters in spanish and russian, i manually regenerate the loacles using -p low and/or -p high , mark all the variables (es_VE.utf8 or es_VE or ru_RU.utf8 etc etc all ) but event if ofrced still does not permit "strange" characters in file names..
as we can see, in "new bugtracker" there's not so many issues reported, and the few reported are not answered from developers/trackers..
so seems Devuan are a "moda" from few zealots of sysvinit.. its relly great and faster respect debian but its happened same with VenenuX, few people and many problems due lack of organizationEdited by PICCORO Gerhard Lenz McKAY
Wow. I can't understand why even the 4GB DVD version is broken like that. Maybe it is more of a configuration issue, but I don't understand this, because the Debian that was forked is working correctly. Well, that saves me time downloading and trying.
@pepa65 writing here dont make sense.. seems in the dev1 forum makes sense.. as you can see, this git site are totally dead.. few projects with few commits..
there is more issues, mostly related to the debian change respect the "devuan" mark.. i reported a few due the others need more work
seems devuan today its very famous.. i reconice now was happened with venenux, complete blind due famous...
At least we can talk here. :-) I hope things improve. We need a good non-systemd distro.
currently i studing some aspect of the devuan system and debian, differences.. and event made a complete distribution i-ll proposed in near future a "Debian derivative" work that disabled systemd..
today Devuan's activities is frequently redistributing packages originally from Debian to Devuan's users. Well, my idea is about the reverse, copying packages from Debian to "xxxx" newer distribution event called "new" distribution.. that-'s the problem on Devuan, triyin to made same level to Debian that are too big.. its better made only derivative.. the VDA are few to mantain a distribution.. must grow from a derived distro (like winbuntu does.. remenber?)
That sounds good! Actually, that sounds better. I never quite understood the full separation. It would be so much better to have a derivative with an added repository for packages that are different in Debian because they depend on systemd.
So to answer you questions in short.
Is the encoding issue for the desktop or on terminals/pseudo terminals?? It sounds like the locales aren't being set correctly...
To file a bug I'd suggest using reportbug or going to bugs.devuan.org instead of here in gitlab where we now only use issues for developer discussions when needed.
For general user support go to https://dev1galaxy.org and there you will likely find the best help for these issues.
@mckaygerhard is totally wrong. Debian cannot be redeemed from systemd by simply providing some alternative packages.
Devuan provides the necessary isolation from systemd whilst still taking full advantage of the debian packages that are uneffected by systemd. We even redirect to the packages in Debian's repositories in that case.
This issue on dev1galaxy has gone unanswered for 7 weeks: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3376#p3376
I was going to ask email@example.com which package to file this against, as this is not clear. But it is very easy to verify the bug: install any keyboardlayout that goes beyond ascii, and use it. I don't know why the locales would not be set correctly. We have set the proper locales and did localegen, but unlike with other distributions, this doesn't work on Devuan.
Debian cannot be redeemed from systemd? please!, but winbuntu does exactly that Devuan does with systemd.. have upstart!
that's due its noted that Debian and Devuan and many other piece of software only provide support attention if the problem are happened to more that one user!, now @pepa65 and me cap attention!? .. the difference its that winbuntu are organized.. (now) but in principle due the behaviour and size of the project dont pretent a thing that not are.. until suceed!
@mckaygerhard , Debian itself cannot be redeemed, the entrenchment of systemd depending packages continues, and at some point we will no longer be able to use much of Debian and will have to build packages based directly on upstream sources. That is expected and hopefully as that happens we get more active contributors sharing the workload in that respect. Regardless, denigrating the very developers and project efforts isn't likely the way to tease out a solution.
Good that you reported the bug! I probably won't be much help as I am not effected as a native english speaker, but I am still interested in making sure the bug gets resolved. What I find interesting is that we appear to have no other reports of similar issues, particularly given the interest from Spanish speaking countries...
There was talk on dev1galaxy about Mexican and Brazilian fcommunities too... not sure whether that has happened, but I imagine that those forums might have people in them that have come across that issue.
And do keep searching, and let us know if you find anything that seems to either clarify the cause of the issue, or suggest possible solutions.
hi @CenturionDan i cannot search more around the problem due i have a job and i have a work to do..
about the Debian systemd-free , my pooint was that Devuan does not make in right way.. i cited the winbuntu example of the first days .. Devuan pretend make a separate distro, not bad its a good target but its not the right moment.. better was start as a derivate systemd-less flavor and later become a separate distro..
devuan today are a victims of their own fame.. and have a blind vision.. i reported and ask many things but the responses are always "doit as i indicate"
I now installed from devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_CD.iso (automated graphical) and when I add another keyboard layout, the non-ascii characters are rendered correctly in the terminal.
I think it might have been the Live CD that has these issues. The keyboard layout can be added, indicator works, but the terminal doesn't display non-ascii.
my test was agains the i386, not amd64 (due amd64 consumes too much memory on simple things..)
but now i cannot "reinstall" all my stuff, event i have the home separatelly its nonsense to reinstall all the OS only by a "mistake from developers"
this issue its still happened, fresh install are good but upgrades does not perform well!