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Opened 2015-01-02T07:20Z by hellekin @hellekin

3.4 Our priorities are our users and free software

This section mixes several concepts and unrelated issues:

  • software freedom
  • non-free works
  • fees
  • legal restrictions (or lack of)

But it fails to cover the meaning of the title.

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  • Franco Lanza
    Franco Lanza @nextime · 2015-01-02T15:47Z

    Well, it's just a copy&paste from the debian social contract. How do you suggest to change it?

  • hellekin
    hellekin @hellekin · 2015-01-02T16:33Z

    As I commented in #2 I'd rather rewrite from scratch with the experience of both open-source and systemd failures for software freedom in mind. Something more fundamental, based on the four freedoms, and clarifying the specific take of VUA on governance, the relation of core system components, init freedom, continuity with Debian and free software, and the focus on simplicity / fluidity of the approach vs. components and organizational bloat.

    If you leave me a few days I'll be able to propose something.

  • Jaromil
    Jaromil @jaromil · 2015-01-26T10:28Z

    Anything there yet? if its a rewrite from scratch then I'd rather post it as a new document.

  • hellekin
    hellekin @hellekin · 2015-01-26T13:27Z

    Yes @jaromil it's been sitting here for 10 days: HellekinConstitutionDraft :)

  • Jaromil
    Jaromil @jaromil · 2015-01-26T14:56Z

    Cheers. Reading it I think is a good reference, but in general I'd rather merge it in the Debian one.

    There is a basic problem also I think is define who are the "users". I don't like "serve the users" because of the verb and because it sounds almost like "do unpaid labour to serve consumers". We are the users in first place and we need to envision something that includes people with our same needs for not only a systemd-free Debian, but also a governance model that does not break the system being currently in use.

  • hellekin
    hellekin @hellekin · 2015-01-26T15:41Z

    Yes, of course, users are peers. The distinction is with developers: often developers "forget" about users, or think they are those ignorant and annoying carbon-based units that make code bug. I know only one distro that tries to include end-users (i.e., non-technicians) not only in their community, but also in their development: Parabola .

    Of course, this is a draft. But it's important to note that it's quite far from Debian's "open-source-ified" social contract, and true to the spirit of software freedom. I think it's important to steer that way, even if for the time being, Devuan will be more open-source than free software.

  • Heitor Teixeira
    Heitor Teixeira @hteixe · 2015-03-17T05:45Z

    Hello! How can i help? Programming? Documenting?

  • Franco Lanza
    Franco Lanza @nextime · 2015-03-17T11:32Z

    @hteixe even both if you like :)

    First of all, start by looking at devuan maintainers project on gitlab, think if you like to adopt a package to maintain, or if you have machines to give for build hosts or other needs you can find i various issues opened in gitlab, and of course, come in IRC in #devuan and #devuan-dev and partecipating in discussion here you can better understand how we are going forward... :)