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Opened 2016-08-08T02:45Z by hellekin @hellekin

ASN.1 Vulnerability

Split from the original 0021 article, into branch 0022.

See https://git.devuan.org/neo900/www/blob/0022/content/0022-about-the-asn.1-vulnerability.html

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  • hellekin @hellekin mentioned in issue #5 (closed) · 2016-08-07T22:46Z

    mentioned in issue #5 (closed)

  • hellekin @hellekin mentioned in issue ops#6 (closed) · 2016-08-08T13:16Z

    mentioned in issue ops#6 (closed)

  • hellekin
    hellekin @hellekin · 2016-08-10T05:15Z

    Added https://git.devuan.org/neo900/www/blob/0022/content/0022-about-the-asn.1-vulnerability.html to the description (cc @joerg_rw )

  • Werner Almesberger
    Werner Almesberger @wpwrak · 2016-08-11T13:47Z
    - "(we'll come back on this in an upcoming installment)"
      in the spirit of not making unnecesary promises, remove
    
    - "confirms the interest"
      "interest" sounds odd. Maybe "pertinence", "relevance", "importance" ?
    
    - "that isolates the baseband chip from power supply"
      That's far from the only mechanism we have, and may not be our
      strongest. Maybe just remove "from power supply", maybe add
      instead "(modem)".
    
    - "preventing remote activation"
      We can prevent activation by shutting it down, but that's not
      all, and possibly not the best we can do. Also, it's not only
      remote activation, but any untoward activity.
    
      Maybe use "detect and/or prevent suspect activity" ?
    
    - (ASN.1 definition)
      Maybe add
      "ASN.1 is used in many protocols and data formats, including cellular
       telephony."
      http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/asn1/Pages/Application-fields-of-ASN-1.aspx
    
    - "its likely"
      "it's likely" or "it is likely"
    
    - "the same or similar"
      "more of the same" ?
    
    - "Neo900 is not affected"
      The modem is part of Neo900 and the modem may still be affected.
      (We don't know whether it is or not because we don't know what's
      going on inside it. That's why we treat it with a healthy dose
      of distrust.)
    
    - "hardware protection from remote activation"
      Again, that may not be the key feature in this context. (When
      you mentioned it earlier, you did so in the context of what you
      personally found endearing about Neo900, in a general sense.)
    
      Since the same topic appears - in more detail - in the next
      paragraph, maybe just strike this one, and remove "In fact,"
      from the next ?
    
    - 'by "lawful" or illegal'
      Sounds a bit funny to my ear. I'm not entirely sure, but maybe
      this would sound better:
      'by "lawful", or by illegal'
    
    - "only a rare combination"
      Hmm, not sure if we want to be so specific here. A rogue modem
      could also try to exploit other holes, e.g., bugs in protocol
      stacks.
    
      Maybe "But with Neo900, the attack surface is much reduced, and
      a compromised modem would only to subvert the CPU in the presence
      of subsequent major vulnerabilities."
    
    - "null"
      Always these absolutes :-) How about this ?
      "we consider [...] negligible"
    
    - "or in the comments."
      Does this still apply ?
    
    - "GTA0x design"
      Hmm, not sure if we want to continue calling everything
      "GTA0x". How about this ?
      "designs from [...] Neo900, support".
    
    Edited by Joerg Reisenweber 2016-08-11T13:53Z
  • hellekin
    hellekin @hellekin · 2016-08-11T14:16Z
    • "preventing remote activation"

    It's a quote from an already published communication.

  • hellekin
    hellekin @hellekin · 2016-08-11T15:43Z

    @wpwrak : in How is Neo900 Affected? , what about:

    The short answer is: although the modem in Neo900 may or may not be affected--we cannot know since all baseband chips are proprietary black box designs --Neo900 is designed to not trust this chip.

  • Werner Almesberger
    Werner Almesberger @wpwrak · 2016-08-11T19:50Z
    - "preventing remote activation", already published
      Yes, but a) we have many choices, and b) this may not be the best or most important in this context.
      I.e., you may live in an uneasy truce with the modem so far, but after having being subverted, it
      begins to act aggressively. We can detect this, and then decide on a response, which may or may
      not include cutting power to the modem.
    
    - "How is Neo900 Affected?"
      Sounds good. Minor detail: the modem module may contain more than one major chip, i.e., a
      chip set. Alas, none of us has opened a modem module yet, so we don't know what exactly
      to call the module's innards. Maybe use "the modem" instead of "this chip".
     
    
  • Werner Almesberger
    Werner Almesberger @wpwrak · 2016-08-12T02:56Z
    One more:
    
    - "only to"
      Sorry, that was packet loss between my brain and my fingers. It should have been "only be able to".
    
  • Werner Almesberger
    Werner Almesberger @wpwrak · 2016-08-12T03:11Z

    Oh, and there's a missing </b;> somewhere.

  • hellekin
    hellekin @hellekin · 2016-08-12T09:10Z

    Thanks! Done.

  • hellekin @hellekin Removed PR label · 2016-09-23T10:09Z

    Removed PR label

  • Joerg Reisenweber @joerg_rw mentioned in issue #3 · 2016-08-11T00:53Z

    mentioned in issue #3

  • hellekin @hellekin mentioned in issue ops#9 (closed) · 2016-08-11T15:26Z

    mentioned in issue ops#9 (closed)

  • hellekin @hellekin Status changed to closed · 2016-08-12T09:10Z

    Status changed to closed

  • hellekin @hellekin mentioned in issue #11 · 2016-08-12T09:31Z

    mentioned in issue #11